# ABOUT % and + **URL:** \ **Category:** Gameplay\ **Created:** [May 11, 2016, 1:28am UTC](https://forums.dungeon-quest.com/t/about-and/7858 "2016-05-11T01:28:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 11\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Dumbledore](https://forums.dungeon-quest.com/user_avatar/forums.dungeon-quest.com/dumbledore/32/5256_2.png) [@Dumbledore](https://forums.dungeon-quest.com/u/Dumbledore)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2016, 1:28am UTC](https://forums.dungeon-quest.com/t/about-and/7858/1 "2016-05-11T01:28:56Z")
where do the % base ? in + ? for example : i need to put +5000 ice damage . if i put the 100% ice damage . it means my +5000 will have xtra 100% . so it will be +10000 ice damage ? and now what if i put only ice damage 100% . i will not put the +5000 ice damage , where my 100% ice damage base ? if i have 3 affix with 100% ice damage . my ice damage will be 300% ? if i only have 1 affix with +5000 ice damage . my ice damage will be +15000 ? or if i have 3 affix with +5000 ice damage . and i have 1 affix with 100% ice damage . my ice damage will be +30000 ice damage ? tell me if im wrong . i think in stat pages they would have put the element damage % and + . so you will know if how many element damage you have . i dont know the formula T\_\_T ---
**Author:** ![Bowenandarrow](https://forums.dungeon-quest.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/b/dc4da7/32.png) [@Bowenandarrow](https://forums.dungeon-quest.com/u/Bowenandarrow)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2016, 2:12am UTC](https://forums.dungeon-quest.com/t/about-and/7858/2 "2016-05-11T02:12:23Z")
The formulae, if you can get your head around it, is here. > [@Damage Formula Question(s)](http://forums.dungeon-quest.com/t/damage-formula-question-s/1099): > > So I am theorycrafting a build and trying to figure out whether Elemental Damage%, +Elemental Damage [flat], Weapon Damage% or +Weapon Damage [flat] is going to provide more overall damage… I’m also trying to figure out the relative value of things like Attack Speed versus Elemental Damage (% or flat) in other gear slots… Is it possible to provide the damage formula in terms of what order bonuses are applied and whether certain %s are additive versus multiplicative? From rough testing it SEEMS… Do some searching on the forums as it’s explained in a couple of different places. Hope that is helpful. ---
**Author:** ![Bowenandarrow](https://forums.dungeon-quest.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/b/dc4da7/32.png) [@Bowenandarrow](https://forums.dungeon-quest.com/u/Bowenandarrow)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2016, 2:15am UTC](https://forums.dungeon-quest.com/t/about-and/7858/3 "2016-05-11T02:15:41Z")
Actually, this link is better for explaining it. > [@Breaking Down the DPS formula](http://forums.dungeon-quest.com/t/breaking-down-the-dps-formula/6458): > > \*DPS = (({[BWD \* (1+WD%) \* (1+WIQ)] + WD} \* (1 + ED%)) + ED)AS It is easier to simplify the formula if you substitute variables. Let A = BWD = Base Weapon Damage B = 1+WD% = Weapon Damage % C = 1+WIQ = Weapon Item Quality D = WD = Weapon Damage + E = 1+ED% = Elemental Damage % F = ED = Elemental Damage + G = AS = Attack Speed Now the formula becomes much simpler to analyze DPS = {[(ABC + D) \* E] + F} \* G DPS = {[ABCE + DE] + F} \* G DPS = {ABCE + DE + F} \* G Tip #1: Incre… ---
**Author:** ![Griffin](https://forums.dungeon-quest.com/user_avatar/forums.dungeon-quest.com/griffin/32/10705_2.png) [@Griffin](https://forums.dungeon-quest.com/u/Griffin)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2016, 10:14am UTC](https://forums.dungeon-quest.com/t/about-and/7858/4 "2016-05-11T10:14:01Z")
Because of the way damage is calculated 100% elemental damage is vastly stronger the +5000 elemental damage and you should always choose the 100% elemental damage over the +5000 😄 ---
**Author:** ![Dumbledore](https://forums.dungeon-quest.com/user_avatar/forums.dungeon-quest.com/dumbledore/32/5256_2.png) [@Dumbledore](https://forums.dungeon-quest.com/u/Dumbledore)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2016, 10:35am UTC](https://forums.dungeon-quest.com/t/about-and/7858/5 "2016-05-11T10:35:29Z")
haha idont understand the forumla given by bowandarrow ^^ im so sorry . @Griffin012 i thought the % is base in + . like this . when you have +5000 elem dmg . and you have 100% elem dmg . your total elem dmg is 10000 ^^ haha! but what if you dont have +5000 elem dmg ? you only have 100% elem dmg ? would the elem dmg effect ? ---
**Author:** ![Griffin](https://forums.dungeon-quest.com/user_avatar/forums.dungeon-quest.com/griffin/32/10705_2.png) [@Griffin](https://forums.dungeon-quest.com/u/Griffin)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2016, 10:43am UTC](https://forums.dungeon-quest.com/t/about-and/7858/6 "2016-05-11T10:43:35Z")
Elemental damage% will multiply your other damage but won’t actually multiply +elemental damage which is why elemental damage 100% is better 😄 ---
**Author:** ![Dumbledore](https://forums.dungeon-quest.com/user_avatar/forums.dungeon-quest.com/dumbledore/32/5256_2.png) [@Dumbledore](https://forums.dungeon-quest.com/u/Dumbledore)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2016, 10:46am UTC](https://forums.dungeon-quest.com/t/about-and/7858/7 "2016-05-11T10:46:53Z")
haha! thanks so much bro . i message u . check ur inbox ---
**Author:** ![Bowenandarrow](https://forums.dungeon-quest.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/b/dc4da7/32.png) [@Bowenandarrow](https://forums.dungeon-quest.com/u/Bowenandarrow)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2016, 10:47am UTC](https://forums.dungeon-quest.com/t/about-and/7858/8 "2016-05-11T10:47:58Z")
wow, well i learned something, good to know. ---
**Author:** ![Dumbledore](https://forums.dungeon-quest.com/user_avatar/forums.dungeon-quest.com/dumbledore/32/5256_2.png) [@Dumbledore](https://forums.dungeon-quest.com/u/Dumbledore)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2016, 10:50am UTC](https://forums.dungeon-quest.com/t/about-and/7858/9 "2016-05-11T10:50:42Z")
one last question griffin . about pierce in mythstone zenith . +2 pierce . what does mean ? ---
**Author:** ![Griffin](https://forums.dungeon-quest.com/user_avatar/forums.dungeon-quest.com/griffin/32/10705_2.png) [@Griffin](https://forums.dungeon-quest.com/u/Griffin)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2016, 10:57am UTC](https://forums.dungeon-quest.com/t/about-and/7858/10 "2016-05-11T10:57:08Z")
No clue haven’t had a chance too mess with it yet 😄 ---
**Author:** ![Dumbledore](https://forums.dungeon-quest.com/user_avatar/forums.dungeon-quest.com/dumbledore/32/5256_2.png) [@Dumbledore](https://forums.dungeon-quest.com/u/Dumbledore)\ **Post date:** [May 11, 2016, 10:57am UTC](https://forums.dungeon-quest.com/t/about-and/7858/11 "2016-05-11T10:57:39Z")
😂