# Mechanics behind total effective luck, gold, and item drop % **URL:** \ **Category:** Guides\ **Created:** [November 7, 2015, 6:51pm UTC](https://forums.dungeon-quest.com/t/mechanics-behind-total-effective-luck-gold-and-item-drop/3524 "2015-11-07T18:51:03Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![twa](https://forums.dungeon-quest.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/bb73d2/32.png) [@twa](https://forums.dungeon-quest.com/u/twa)\ **Post date:** [November 7, 2015, 6:51pm UTC](https://forums.dungeon-quest.com/t/mechanics-behind-total-effective-luck-gold-and-item-drop/3524/1 "2015-11-07T18:51:03Z")
This is for anyone who wants to know how the total %'s are calculated and how to maximize your time and optimize stats. > _This info is confirmed by Steiger. I will update this top post as more info is come across._ **Table of Contents** - Total Effective Gold Find/Luck % - Sources - Formula - Total Effective Item Drop % - Sources - Formula - Conclusions - Character stat screen - Follower - Shrines - Applied ## Total Effective Gold Find/Luck % * * * **Sources** : > - **Hero %** = gear + fortune skill + difficulty + shrine (capped 650) > - **Follower %** = gear + fortune skill + difficulty + shrine (capped 650) > - **Map Base %** = above affix section on map detail > - **Map Affix %** = legendary maps (only affect chests) > - **Shop Boost** > > _Floor shrines add 50% to both the main and follower’s stat (towards their own 650 cap)_ **Total effective gold/luck find formula** : > (Hero + Follower) / 2 + Shop Boost + Map Base _For the floor chests, add (Map Affix gold/luck %)_ ## Total Effective Item Drop % * * * **Sources** : > - **Hero %** = gear + fortune skill + shrine (capped 200) > - **Follower %** = gear + fortune skill + shrine (capped 200) > - **Map Base %** = above affix section of left side on map detail > - **Map Affix %** = legendary maps (only affect chests) > - **Follower Bonus** > - **Shop Boost** > > _Using a follower gives an additional +100% to the total Item find average between the main and follower._ **Total effective item drop formula** : > (Hero + Follower) / 2 + Follower Bonus + Map Base + Shop Boost _For the floor chests, add Map Affix item quantity %_ ## Conclusions * * * **Character stat screen** - Includes contributions: - On Mythic 3 you need 300% gold find/luck to hit the cap **Followers** - Dead followers still contribute to total effective stat % as if they were alive **Shrines** - Shrines have no effect if the respective stat is capped - Shrines add 50% to gold find/luck (havent confirmed exp or item drop is 50%) **Applied** - **Followers** will reduce gold farming if they have less gold find than your main and serve no other purpose to the runs - **Epic maps** are better for hitting feats like the enslaver pet feat and the mythic enemy feat because they have higher than 1000% luck bonuses ---
**Author:** ![twa](https://forums.dungeon-quest.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/bb73d2/32.png) [@twa](https://forums.dungeon-quest.com/u/twa)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2015, 1:34am UTC](https://forums.dungeon-quest.com/t/mechanics-behind-total-effective-luck-gold-and-item-drop/3524/3 "2015-11-08T01:34:32Z")
Maybe a dev or someone could correct my logic if it is wrong? I see a thread where someone says a follower isn’t counted and another where the main and follower % are averaged? Some clarity would be awesome.r ---
**Author:** ![ocenyx](https://forums.dungeon-quest.com/user_avatar/forums.dungeon-quest.com/ocenyx/32/934_2.png) [@ocenyx](https://forums.dungeon-quest.com/u/ocenyx)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2015, 2:23am UTC](https://forums.dungeon-quest.com/t/mechanics-behind-total-effective-luck-gold-and-item-drop/3524/4 "2015-11-08T02:23:39Z")
Values are averaged, except on item drops, which gains an additional hidden 100% increase after (?) getting averaged. Things that do NOT count are the loot-centric set affixes from the hireling, eternalized and crystalline. Now, the question is… does the cap count before averaging or not? e.g. (350% from main + 950% from hireling ) / 2 = 650% final bonus? Or does the 950% get capped first? ---
**Author:** ![twa](https://forums.dungeon-quest.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/bb73d2/32.png) [@twa](https://forums.dungeon-quest.com/u/twa)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2015, 2:38am UTC](https://forums.dungeon-quest.com/t/mechanics-behind-total-effective-luck-gold-and-item-drop/3524/5 "2015-11-08T02:38:18Z")
How would the follower have 950? The cap is for each character as it is reflected on the stat page. So gear and talents can get you to the 650 cap on followers and mains alike. The boosts and shrines aren’t reflected on the stat page so, like the map bonus % (not the map gold/luck affix), they are added to the total effective gold/luck %. ---
**Author:** ![ocenyx](https://forums.dungeon-quest.com/user_avatar/forums.dungeon-quest.com/ocenyx/32/934_2.png) [@ocenyx](https://forums.dungeon-quest.com/u/ocenyx)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2015, 5:45am UTC](https://forums.dungeon-quest.com/t/mechanics-behind-total-effective-luck-gold-and-item-drop/3524/6 "2015-11-08T05:45:21Z")
> [@twa](#): > > How would the follower have 950? Very easy. 350% (M3 setting prior to hire) + 2x 225% Gold/Luck + 2x 75% Gold/Luck = 950%. Since they were always discussing about this averaging, maybe this would have worked. Maybe not. Maybe someone already did this before. ---
**Author:** ![twa](https://forums.dungeon-quest.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/bb73d2/32.png) [@twa](https://forums.dungeon-quest.com/u/twa)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2015, 6:38am UTC](https://forums.dungeon-quest.com/t/mechanics-behind-total-effective-luck-gold-and-item-drop/3524/7 "2015-11-08T06:38:26Z")
The difficulty bonus is 350% so that means each character, from gear + talents, can only get 300% more until the 650% cap on each character. Difficulty + gear + talents = 650 or less on each character The difficulty, gear, and talent contributions to the character gold/luck find are reflected in the gold/luck find on the character’s stat page and do not go past 650%. That means that the hero + follower max would be (650+650)/2. Then you add in the map bonus and shop boost plus any shrine to get the total effective gold or luck find. It must work this way. ---
**Author:** ![ocenyx](https://forums.dungeon-quest.com/user_avatar/forums.dungeon-quest.com/ocenyx/32/934_2.png) [@ocenyx](https://forums.dungeon-quest.com/u/ocenyx)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2015, 8:36am UTC](https://forums.dungeon-quest.com/t/mechanics-behind-total-effective-luck-gold-and-item-drop/3524/8 "2015-11-08T08:36:17Z")
Basing on the stat page it should work that way. Since we have many stats hidden from us, personally I’m starting to doubt if the stat page can be reliable for this crazy talk about beyond-cap loot aids. ---
**Author:** ![twa](https://forums.dungeon-quest.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/bb73d2/32.png) [@twa](https://forums.dungeon-quest.com/u/twa)\ **Post date:** [November 8, 2015, 10:31pm UTC](https://forums.dungeon-quest.com/t/mechanics-behind-total-effective-luck-gold-and-item-drop/3524/9 "2015-11-08T22:31:18Z")
Can any dev or rep from SB please confirm my OP? ---
**Author:** ![twa](https://forums.dungeon-quest.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/t/bb73d2/32.png) [@twa](https://forums.dungeon-quest.com/u/twa)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2015, 4:01pm UTC](https://forums.dungeon-quest.com/t/mechanics-behind-total-effective-luck-gold-and-item-drop/3524/10 "2015-11-09T16:01:11Z")
The only questions I have left are: - How are dead followers handled? - Are the stats no longer averaged once dead? - Do we keep the 100% item drop bonus if our follower is dead? **Edited OP for all updated info. See that.** ---
**Author:** ![SteigerBox](https://forums.dungeon-quest.com/user_avatar/forums.dungeon-quest.com/steigerbox/32/23033_2.png) [@SteigerBox](https://forums.dungeon-quest.com/u/SteigerBox)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2015, 4:43pm UTC](https://forums.dungeon-quest.com/t/mechanics-behind-total-effective-luck-gold-and-item-drop/3524/11 "2015-11-09T16:43:15Z")
> [@twa](#): > > Can it be confirmed the follower and hero do in fact average? They do, for now 😄 > [@twa](#): > > How are dead followers handled? > Are the stats no longer averaged once dead? > Do we keep the 100% item drop bonus if our follower is dead? Having your follower die does not change averaging at all. It’s the same as if they were alive. That all said, in 2.1 we’re looking to take out averaging in favor of always picking the highest stat. This will apply towards Crystalline, Eternalized, and other reward boosting effects as well. ---
**Author:** ![cronos4321](https://forums.dungeon-quest.com/user_avatar/forums.dungeon-quest.com/cronos4321/32/7895_2.png) [@cronos4321](https://forums.dungeon-quest.com/u/cronos4321)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2015, 8:02pm UTC](https://forums.dungeon-quest.com/t/mechanics-behind-total-effective-luck-gold-and-item-drop/3524/12 "2015-11-09T20:02:48Z")
since this thread topic is about luck and gold find. just wanna ask about lagend map affix \*Luck and Gold find. as i informed map affix effect whole map while luck 1000%/gold find 1000% and drop 1000% only effect carto chest. for lagend map affix luck and G.find both max roll is 500. does that affix from lagend map counted if i already have max luck and g.find.? i mean does that affix give luck and g.find beyond cap.? ---
**Author:** ![SteigerBox](https://forums.dungeon-quest.com/user_avatar/forums.dungeon-quest.com/steigerbox/32/23033_2.png) [@SteigerBox](https://forums.dungeon-quest.com/u/SteigerBox)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2015, 9:36pm UTC](https://forums.dungeon-quest.com/t/mechanics-behind-total-effective-luck-gold-and-item-drop/3524/13 "2015-11-09T21:36:01Z")
Map Affixes will go beyond cap 😄 ---
**Author:** ![cronos4321](https://forums.dungeon-quest.com/user_avatar/forums.dungeon-quest.com/cronos4321/32/7895_2.png) [@cronos4321](https://forums.dungeon-quest.com/u/cronos4321)\ **Post date:** [November 9, 2015, 9:43pm UTC](https://forums.dungeon-quest.com/t/mechanics-behind-total-effective-luck-gold-and-item-drop/3524/14 "2015-11-09T21:43:47Z")
okay thanks… Etetnal map ❤❤❤❤❤❤ haha ---
**Author:** ![ocenyx](https://forums.dungeon-quest.com/user_avatar/forums.dungeon-quest.com/ocenyx/32/934_2.png) [@ocenyx](https://forums.dungeon-quest.com/u/ocenyx)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2015, 9:15am UTC](https://forums.dungeon-quest.com/t/mechanics-behind-total-effective-luck-gold-and-item-drop/3524/15 "2015-11-10T09:15:06Z")
> [@ocenyx](#): > > Now, the question is… does the cap count before averaging or not? e.g. (350% from main + 950% from hireling ) / 2 = 650% final bonus? Or does the 950% get capped first? Hello @SteigerBox… what about this? ---
**Author:** ![SteigerBox](https://forums.dungeon-quest.com/user_avatar/forums.dungeon-quest.com/steigerbox/32/23033_2.png) [@SteigerBox](https://forums.dungeon-quest.com/u/SteigerBox)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2015, 3:20pm UTC](https://forums.dungeon-quest.com/t/mechanics-behind-total-effective-luck-gold-and-item-drop/3524/16 "2015-11-10T15:20:59Z")
Averaging happens before any Map Bonus is applied ---
**Author:** ![cronos4321](https://forums.dungeon-quest.com/user_avatar/forums.dungeon-quest.com/cronos4321/32/7895_2.png) [@cronos4321](https://forums.dungeon-quest.com/u/cronos4321)\ **Post date:** [November 10, 2015, 3:31pm UTC](https://forums.dungeon-quest.com/t/mechanics-behind-total-effective-luck-gold-and-item-drop/3524/17 "2015-11-10T15:31:12Z")
that cool. lets take ocenyx stat as example Main have 350% luck and hireling have 950% luck. as u say averaging happen before map buff. so let take out the buff out first. so main have 0% luck and hireling have 600%. by averaging main have 300% and hireling have 300%. now insert back map buff. mythic 3 +350% luck. = main 650% hireling 650%. tell me if it correct and fix me if it wrong. thank for that valuable infos anyway ---
**Author:** ![ocenyx](https://forums.dungeon-quest.com/user_avatar/forums.dungeon-quest.com/ocenyx/32/934_2.png) [@ocenyx](https://forums.dungeon-quest.com/u/ocenyx)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2015, 12:46am UTC](https://forums.dungeon-quest.com/t/mechanics-behind-total-effective-luck-gold-and-item-drop/3524/18 "2015-11-11T00:46:15Z")
> [@SteigerBox](#): > > Averaging happens before any Map Bonus is applied > [@cronos4321](#): > > mythic 3 +350% luck. = main 650% hireling 650%. Makes sense. Thanks for clearing that out! Assuming cronos is correct, now I can make a full-loot, combat-incapable ardent to take on higher maps and not miss out on loot 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Riffmaster](https://forums.dungeon-quest.com/letter_avatar_proxy/v4/letter/r/7bcc69/32.png) [@Riffmaster](https://forums.dungeon-quest.com/u/Riffmaster)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2015, 2:07am UTC](https://forums.dungeon-quest.com/t/mechanics-behind-total-effective-luck-gold-and-item-drop/3524/19 "2015-11-11T02:07:12Z")
Jesus this is a goldmine of info regarding my past question/s about GF/MF/ID! Thanks! > [@ocenyx](#): > > Makes sense. Thanks for clearing that out! Assuming cronos is correct, now I can make a full-loot, combat-incapable ardent to take on higher maps and not miss out on loot This is my target as well! There has been suggestion/s from other thread/s that the hireling will be your DPS character, and main will just be a stat boost. I kinda don’t like that kind of gameplay since it takes away the fun in bombarding hordes of monsters. I hope we can dress our hirelings with stat buffs and our main with damage buffs! 😃 ---
**Author:** ![ocenyx](https://forums.dungeon-quest.com/user_avatar/forums.dungeon-quest.com/ocenyx/32/934_2.png) [@ocenyx](https://forums.dungeon-quest.com/u/ocenyx)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2015, 2:29am UTC](https://forums.dungeon-quest.com/t/mechanics-behind-total-effective-luck-gold-and-item-drop/3524/20 "2015-11-11T02:29:29Z")
> [@Riffmaster](#): > > I hope we can dress our hirelings with stat buffs and our main with damage buffs! 😃 Personally I’m planning to play using my DPS character with my loot argent as hireling. Now, if Hunter, Eternalized and Crystalline will carry over from hirelings… ---
**Author:** ![cronos4321](https://forums.dungeon-quest.com/user_avatar/forums.dungeon-quest.com/cronos4321/32/7895_2.png) [@cronos4321](https://forums.dungeon-quest.com/u/cronos4321)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2015, 3:07am UTC](https://forums.dungeon-quest.com/t/mechanics-behind-total-effective-luck-gold-and-item-drop/3524/21 "2015-11-11T03:07:02Z")
i think dev give hint already about 2.1 content but not so into it, so i forgot which thread i read. but as i remember dev try to remove averaged think from game. like example main got 0% luck but have 500 G.find while hireling have 500% luck and have 0% g.find… dev try to make as the higher will lead mean it will count as your luck is 500% and G.find 500%. also read that they also try to make set affix buff for looting to take over as well. let say ur main dont have +4 set number, but u equip eternalized set affix. eternalized (1) chance for lagend drop as eternal is 50% while ur hireling have +4 set number and equip eternalized, eternalized (5) chance to lagend drop as wrernal is 250%. when it come to lead. ur main 50% chance for lagend drop as eternal will not take the lead. it will just count from hireling, i mean your chance for lagend drop as eternal is 250%. #This not what dev actually say. but the hint lead me to this. just dont 100% believe this, just wait until dev tell the real content. [Next page](https://forums.dungeon-quest.com/t/mechanics-behind-total-effective-luck-gold-and-item-drop/3524.md?page=2)