I suggest getting at least a couple of +hp along with an hp multipier
See thats why you have to build your Character to take thier own damage. Thats why May Hemm likes about the pistols, she can Always take her own shot along with a few more. Then, she throws spells with DoT. Saves her ass everytime.
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Wild tends to take chances. She has the beefed up hp, but her shots are deadly even to herself.
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Are you using this build right now right? This can kill the immortals but your too vulnerable to other players. Killed your AI by just standing and wait for Torrent to win.
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No, im not using this build now and this is never good on AI. This is meant to be full offensive then switch to a more balanced build after playing pvp. Im testing builds in the arena right now, not worried about my AI right now.
I think somebody here in the forum already anticipated this… Wait a moment, let me search for it:
Oh yeah, it was me 
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Yeah.
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Yeah true but in eternal league, the damage from reflect isn’t enough to really make a difference , even with so much reflect % damage and lots of general damage as people already have such large damage Reduction in arena anyways and lots of HP. If not, more damage Reduction than HP with Regen to the point where reflect is nothing.
I do remember one time when reflect could be potent with the explosive affix and other combos but CV is better off than reflect. Even back in 2.0 when arena was first around , reflect was hardly useful but there were a few odd build that power a challenge with the reflect .
Mana shield build though counts as reflect in some form but once their shield is down, they are vulnerable to death due to low HP or so.
CV acts like reflect and is actually deadly . Shieldwall has reflect but the reflect doesn’t do much damage generally .
The only time I found reflect deadly was when I had sanctuary facing the immortal build and the Shieldwall was enough to kill me which meant I had to time my attacks carefully without death, after enough draws. I know with my experience with facing @Mr_Scooty for the first time when he used the Shieldwall with immortal build.
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Yes I know it Sir.
I smell something fishyy…
WAR 
Nah, we’re past that.
Well first of all everyone has their own points of view, this is forum you can rant you can complain you can be sarcastics or being proud of what you have attain ingame/achievements…
Lets enumerate all new evenst and achievements in DQ in game and Players perspective:
#1 New Patch Came up that means new build and meta gaming will come bugs are certainly unnoticed by some new players.
#2 The Draw Masters Immortal cameup first prototype went viral under ign @Mandelbrot and @Mr_Scooty came in with @Midlumer under testing probes.
#3 The build got Viral… since no one knows how to kill the build …
#4 This build was escalated to be nerfed since few of us can kill it … and i my self Contested the so called nerfing Draw Build… my perspective is one i can test and maximize all build when encountering this so called Drawmasters build aka Immortal Build… and i was right keeping them in leaderboard will help us build a massive pvp killer… dude everyone analyzes your builds yes it will always be countered hence it serve as inspiration to those who wanted to kill the immortal builds…
#5 Nonlegit and Legit Destroys leaderboards as i say in every build it has its own counterpart and counterpart build came in in two ways legit counterpart and nonlegit or so called idiot people scrubs…
#6 Reporting wrong igns or Suspected them as perfect rolls pets etc etc… perfect throphies or edited item it was de escalted but the damage has done if you remember sir @Midlumer that time was the start of all it triggers both parties to defend each other… this was the start of all this blabering in forum about your build being thrashed in pvp leaderboards since this ign that ill be mentioning well i know them and we are all close since we are all in same party
Starting with @Erase the one who was reported having a perfect element pet … this guy went up with ease with his toss build but this man never boast anything here in forum @Galahad same with this guy but havent you heard them boast how you have been erased in top position… @Mr_Scooty @CuzegSpiked @Mandelbrot and @Midlumer man this guy even challange all this build you have with respect and Morality…
Now this event and achievements we have this past month what can you say about it?? In my conclusion as a player is this
#1 its ok to be challenged by someone and dont take it as if you are being bullied i understand the hype of people counterkilling Top Igns in leaderboards boasting yes is as sign of being proud but it has limitations
#2 Not all players understand mathematical equation of this game probably you guy know it but i myself learned pvp because i have a lot of friends who colaborates build who rates builds friends who event put negative points on prototype builds… so basically other players learned PVP formula not by math but other thru rigid of trial and errors sacrificing pvp stats of lose and wins…
#3 End all your EGO’S
if i offended someone in this post feel free to banned this account thats all Happy gaming guys…
P.S I have minimized the seconds of killing The Draw masters build in 5 seconds including the run time 
but them im not boasting it im poud of it its up to you how you can handle it ciao
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Actually immortal build started at patch 2.0 and was created by cronos but it wasn’t too viral then. It got truly viral when Mandelbrot and Mr Scooty and Midlumer made it and it was also around in patch 2.1 as well. I’m just saying that Midlumer , Mandelbrot and Mr Scooty aren’t the first ever.
Just a heads up since I heard about the immortal build way back when arena was just beginning season 2 but it wasnt called immortal, rather it was called frustrating/frustration build. Ever since then, I had the idea of trying to attempt the immortal but I never knew how. Had I did, it probably would have been around earlier.
I only know thanks to actually attempting to know and help too to get some good idea of how everything works.
Tbh, now that I experienced PvP better in 2.5 and 3.0 as well as having knowledge of almost everything there is, I finally have an idea of how to create immortal build and it doesn’t just have to be the one you typically see.
It can literally be any form, from 40k-100k HP but very hard to defeat or the ones you see today.
Might I say, the first immortal build ever was actually a warrior named frustrating from cronos and he brought the concept to a few people when he talked about it. It wasn’t as viral as today but it still planted the ideas into the minds of me and others.
I don’t know if they were inspired by cronos but they certainly did see an encounter and probably came up with the idea with or without knowing cronos frustrating build. It definitely takes great analysis and knowledge as well as great ideas and motivation to make an amazing immortal build.
It’s both amazing and frustrating and that’s the cool thing. Had it not been well known, we’d have probably kept immortal build at patch 4.0 or so lol!
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Im not just smells WAR…
It is totally WAR . 
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World Peace
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This is a fight between DU30 vs Trump.
vs
vs De Lima
The start was I being attacked in a very rude way for reporting @Erase. I explained in a long post of mine why I did that, and why it wasn’t fair attacking me for it. As a matter of fact I do believe now that @Erase is legit, I do trust @tdaniel’s judgement 100%. I even appologized to @Erase in a PM.
So I didn’t start this, but I acknowledge having reacted poorly at some points. I do apologize for that.
I actually cherish being challenged by others. But in this whole discussion I was first and foremost “bullied”, and it has only declined after @tdaniel intervened. It hasn’t stopped, there are still some pinpricks every now and then.
I actually don’t get this. Because as of right now I am one of the most active testers. I’ve spent a significant amount of time for my guides, and am one of the very few people right now who actively report bugs. I spend hours testing and writing bug reports.
I also spend hours discussing balance issues.
I am not always right, I do mistakes. But I am the only one actually admitting them and asking for forgiveness as well.
And I’m right a hell lot more often than wrong.
If you know what you are doing, you can of course create an anti-build against Immortals. I’ve even told everyone in which direction they need to go if they want that. Nevertheless you need to invest a lot of crystals for it. And that is okay if you have a lot of them - but rather not so if you are not a serious farmer and you don’t have a lot of them - which to be honest is by far the majority of the players.
But spending 4 crystal slots and all Natures on Critical and Deadly Strikes and even more slots on damage also makes such a char poorly balanced, a butterfly in the eyes of a normal tank - up to the point where it can’t be left offline in the arena because it would loose MMR too fast - So you need two top-notch chars instead of one.
Something which a lot of players can’t achieve, that is why I advised against it. Because I don’t want them to run into a trap, loosing all their stash and achieving nothing.
So to all still holding a grudge against me, if you come to me and talk normally we can work things out. I very much would like them to.
And to the ones who can’t help themselves attacking me because they hate my guts, feel superior or think I’m an idiot:
Know that you are attacking someone who has nothing but love for this great game, invests a lot of time and effort trying to do his part so it can be even better in the future - for all players, even for you.
Do you really want to do that?
Let us end this here.
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Respect! 
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I was just thinking that, LOL.
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It has nothing to do with that. My point was I am completely using a totally different build than the build in discussion, which is the build that kills yours.
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