The nice thing about 2 characters with furies in action is the surreal army they collectively produce. However the downside is your summons tend to run off leaving you exposed. Mirror images can imitate your main skill in usage which is cool. But they vanish quickly.
Apocalypse makes any character class a summoner. It occupies just one affix position on a main hand weapon without sacrificing a skill. Its a surefire proc . the possible builds are endless
I would sure be surprise facing it, cause I never saw any on Div 1.
It’s sure not about power, but DPS, what sure minions don’t have. Summon Haste isn’t even viable on arena, since it becomes only 4.8% on level 20. As your minions die, your DPS goes down, so it’s very probably your average DPS is very low.
There is no comparison between an Immortal Build and a Summoner Build: Skullshield implies in 30% DMG reduction with no extra costs, while with Spirit Master (4) + Summoner + Divergence (4) you have only you have only 18.4% DMG reduction. Also, unlike Immortal Builds, Summoner Builds would just worst with draws, in the sense at some point they would instadie by a simple charge. About their power, you’re definitely missing Skill’s Damage: Whirlwind has 500% MH, Scalp has 400% and there is 3x 300% of Skullshield, which together have ~76% more damage (figure out how many Barbarian, PTL and Summon DMG to reach such multiplicator) than five minions + taunt minion (which costs 2 Set Affix Slots), not even mentioning their far greater APS. This can be a little better with Apocallypse mythic, but I also didn’t consider they don’t have a weapon mythic to answer back.
The best choice for a Summoner Build would they as a “Suicide Squad”, which walk to your opponent then explodes in his face. Patch 3.0 even helped this idea: +40% Damage from Sacrifice  (It was only 10% before it) and Sadism will boost a lot such build. Albeit if you look properly, this is just another projectile build: You have slow auto-aimed projectiles, which most probably are outpowered by any other wizard choice.
Have you tried adding mirror images , minion, synergy Mythic to your build? Those barrages already super good but gotta have more right? Lol.
I know it’s unnecessary but whatever works. It may not be worth slot though unless there’s actually room.
I do want Trickster set great again though.
I even considered adding syngery + Hunger in a wizard version of my discordance orb build + minions and mirror images. Gotta try something unique and that what I thought of.
Normally I would use Teleport and just do that but gotta try some other ideas and see if they fit well. May not be super worth it but I’ll have fun trying. Or Skullshield for damage reduction but I’ll try something different and see how it works out.
That said, my rogue is still a lot better in discordance orb but I’m like making wizard great again without battle mage .
I know the barrage build was a great way to break out of that battle mage stereotype though. Or instead of orbs, twisters because why not . It isn’t the most unique idea I have but setting out to be different and having fun.
I’m already proud of my changes to my rogue though and I’m doing more I can.
Yeah you have a super valid point of course. I was 100% aware of the downsides of the DPS of summon and other builds that have their unfortunate effects.
Summon in general was always something that would be seen as a downside in DPS in some way in comparison to other skills but yeah that is true.
A true summoner build would struggle .
He decided to stay in magic league lmao. Minions can easily respawn too when they die u can just automatically recall another minion so it wouldn’t do much difference.
I am not saying that immortal build and summoner build is the same. Im saying that power isnt really a big deal in the arena. As you said its the dps. Plus you can do skull shield with summoner build too.
Get my point? XD
Yeah. I already saw what you were getting at. Anyway thanks to this thread, I got inspiration for yet another build idea xD.
You’re right about these, they would give a great boost on my build (+1.5 for both Synergy and Mirror Images). But I’ll tell you a problem: I need Spike Damage in order to kill Alchemy builds. These are great for increasing my average damage, cause I’ll shot barrage fast, but I’ll would loss my spike power replacing for these. Also, using 3 skills would make my AI less efficient, since I would throw less barrages.
I think he’s on magic league because he is using such build. lol
The builds score is more then sufficient to be in eternal league it’s in magic league because I’ve played 1 game of PvP this entire season
Lmao from the man himself!! XD
XD. Griffin ftw.
I’m currently removing some legendary affixes and replacing them with epic 10 to skills affixes . I’m attempting to get all summon related talents maxed too. Does reclaim replace skills to skull shield or do I need both ? By the way, many thanks for the tips
sorry I do not know English,half of what is written here, the translator translates crooked , little understood (((((but thanks for all the advice ))
You’re welcome. We were able to understand the translator ok but translator does have reliability issues.