Great topic, thanks @Midlumer for creating this. As many know I want to help the community and players by getting of these cheaters in the game especially in the arena. I’ll let the devs decide on Erase’s case. I completely agree with the numbers and amount of time you have to spend get those pet. The only thing that caught my attention is what are the “perfect affixes” for the eternal pet to be called “perfect”
Back in the days, we could obviously tell people are using edited perfect eternal pet because the affixes are to good and makes their build really strong.[quote=“Midlumer, post:1, topic:15966”]
Most Useful/Used Epic PvP Affixes
Bleed DMG%
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AR%
Crit%
Crit DMG%
Luck%
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All are correct. 100% agree.
Now, what happens, for example, the meta shifts, balancing, nerfs and updates are made after some time. What if on the next update they buff HP on hit and make it 1000/hit just like before. What if Buccaner gets a buff and Gold find% becomes good? Its not on your ist now, right? What if other affixes that is not on your list becomes fit for the meta on the next updates?
What if I have an eternal pet now, that I got in a legit way, that is not good for the pvp now but might be good for the future updates and I decide to build around it? Would that make me not a cheater now and a cheater then?
I’ll share @deathGG pet here as an example
This pet in not edited as it has a Set affix that is not very useful in the meta right now. Many will agree that they WOULD NOT use this pet in pvp right now. It clearly has potential deadly strike, armor, luck and depending on the build and class attack speed and astral could be useful, would you report him then?
This is my eternal pet, the only one i’ve got after playing the game in 2 years. Crappy aint it? A lot of affixes are not on your list of affixes good for pvp. But hell that 800 shock resist + 500 all resist can be useful. I can definitely create a build for pvp now to make use of this pet but it just wont be good. I’m sure you’re getting my point. What if after couple of updates, we got new affixes and new sets and this pet would fit the meta, would that make my pet edited then?
Lastly, lets look at @Erase pet, they way he got is a different story, ill leave it to the devs.
But lets look at why this is a cheaters pet. A cheater’s choice of affixes
-Name top players in pvp now or even on the previous patch uses Element Affix?
-You went ahead and did computation for the 5 epic affixes he has on his pet. What is the actual probability of getting an eternal pet with Elements? Is it possible? Yes, in fact very common you would almost get it if you were to get an eternal pet.
-Is Element very common most used/useful pet in PVP that cheaters would always have this on their build? No, noone would give up a very important 1 slot of Set affix to get Elements.
-By looking at this affixes many will agree that this is crappy for pvp. No flat values aside from 1400 armor.
-we didnt need crit chance before because we have coat weapon and coat weapon proc. No one was using bleed dmg after they introduced perseverance and nerfed fire. No one would use 50% armor when the meta was burst damage before.
-If you reported this pet back in version 2.3 this would not be considered as cheater’s pet.
But why are we reporting it now? Because it fits his build now?
Perfect example is The Immortal Build, a build that uses totally different affixes from the meta. Should we report players using eternal pet with affixes used in the immortal build?
If I use my eternal sera to fit my pvp build in the future would you report me then?
Reporting
It is everyone’s right to report players they suspect cheating. You made it sound like you’re basis of reporting him here is because he’s been banned before when in fact the devs verified his account and has proven that he is legit. Btw, he’s back in the normal league. We are not defending cheaters here or attacking you for reporting him. You just really made an intriguing report here with that kind of pet and tell how the guy is a cheater before…
Perfect Pet Probability
With the points I mentioned above,[quote=“Midlumer, post:1, topic:15966”]
(K = 9 “good” epic affixes on the list above)
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This number is inaccurate if you consider all the possible builds, metas on 3 different classes used all throughout the versions of DQ. As the game improves more and more affixes will be useful in the arena, MP on hit could be considered good for manashield builds, MP regen, +20 skullshield…the list goes on. This is the flaw of your computation.
We were reporting players with 10K hp, 10k elem damage, 50%HP etc etc before because those are the pillars/core of pvp builds that have not changed over time no matter the meta and DQ version is.
Those are my two cents. I totally agree with your numbers but you didnt take into account that the meta changes, affixes gets nerf and buffs and we get new affixes and sets that may complement these not so useful affixes now.